INTERVIEW WITH AHMED MANAÏ, ARAB LEAGUE OBSERVER IN SYRIA. Translated by Kacem Jlidi
As one of 166 observers from the Arab League in Syria, we interviewed Ahmed Manaï, former UN international expert, militant for a democratic Tunisia and author of “Tunisian torture – The Secret Garden General Ben Ali.”
Nawaat: What was your reaction, as a Tunisian member of the observers sent by the Arab League, facing the Sino-Russian veto on the draft resolution of the UN Security Council on Syria?
AM: A great satisfaction for the Syrian people and Syria, their present and future. The Sino-Russian veto saved a country, the cradle of human and Arab civilization, from total destruction to which destined him and other Arab powers of the war were about to make him suffer. With this veto Syria will not know, I hope the fate of Iraq so close with its million deaths, its 3 million orphans, its two million widows, its four million refugees and his unstructured society. It will not know the uncertain fate of Libya, unstructured and disjointed.
Nawaat: You wrote on your Facebook page that the decision that “to return the Syrian ambassador” of Tunisia emanates not from the President Marzouki but from Rached Ghannouchi, leader of the Islamist party Ennahdha and Qatar, where from you hold this information?
AM: I’d like to remind you first that there is no Syrian ambassador in Tunis since more than a year, but just a vice affairs handler.
We don’t need to draw this kind of information to any other source than Mr. Ghannouchi himself. All is needed is to just go back to his statements and recall, for example, the one he made in November 2011, I believe, in which he “decided” that Tunisia would return the Syrian ambassador. He declared later, “He would render the embassies each of Yemen and Syria to the opponents of the two countries” probably unaware of the Geneva Convention governing diplomatic and consular relations.
He was only the leader of a political party that won elections.
Fortunately, the government at that time had tempered his zeal. Now he is everything and decides everything, still in no other quality than that of chairman of a party leader of the majority in the National Constituent Assembly.
Why Qatar? Because this country, a subcontractor of dirty work, which drives the “Arab initiative” had ordered all countries under its supervision, to accompany the meeting of the Security Council on 04/02, with a concerted action to break with Syria. They thought of everything except the double veto. He also gave instructions to some Medias to heat up the atmosphere a little more. The Syrian CNT has recommended to his followers to occupy the Syrian embassies around the world and its militants and armed groups to distinguish themselves by large scale action. However, I must admit that I have friends in the league who have confirmed to me certain things, including the unconditional alignment of the Tunisian delegation to the Arab League in Qatar.
On the other hand, it is all in line with the approach between the “brothers” and their Arab allies, Turkish and Western.
Nawaat: What do you think of the decision itself to « return the ambassador » ?
AM: I recall that Tunisia has sent an official delegation that participated in drafting the report of the Arab mission in Syria. If the Tunisian decision-makers had consulted the members of this delegation on the situation in Syria, they surely would have advised them otherwise. I also do not know if these decision-makers were aware of this mission that includes ambassadors, senior officials and officers.
So what do I think? This is a hasty decision, taken by diplomacy and international relations amateurs, unaware of the harm they do to the interests and image of a country that has long been distinguished for its wise and balanced diplomacy, or so, a decision dictated by someone stronger than them!
Curiously none of the powers which were about a few weeks ago to launch their planes over Syria has used the severance of relations with it.
Nawaat: Who are the different agents (There has been talk of Iran, Hizb Allah, Iraqis …) involved in the events taking place in Syria since March 2011? Can you please clarify more on these actors?
AM: Iran and Hezbollah are strategic allies of the Syrians. The Iraqis, on the contrary, were in bad terms with them, though now we witness their reconciliation.
Would they be involved in the events in Syria? I do not think the Syrians would need anyone’s help to manage the situation within their country. Many Medias spoke of Hezbollah fighters and Iranian Pasdaran who would get involved in the repression of demonstrators. It’s just propaganda. But it is certain that they cooperate full in intelligence, for example.
There are other countries fully involved in the Syrian crisis: what are the Gulf countries headed by Qatar, Turkey and all NATO countries. Among these, there are those who welcome the armed groups on their soil, others do the funding, others train them and others provide them with media coverage.
There are other big players, such as Russians and Chinese, but as we saw in the last Security Council’s vote, their role is primarily supportive.
But there are also, in addition to these states, few highly influential political movements, such as the Muslim Brotherhood and the Salafis.
Nawaat: What do you think of media coverage in Syria? What about the censorship?
AM: There is foreign media coverage on Syria and another in Syria.
One of the questions included in the protocol to which the observers’ mission should meet, concerns the media and their working conditions. The final report including the following response:
“Checking the granted approvals by the Syrian government to Arab and international medias, and investigates the possibilities for these medias to move freely in all parts of Syria ..
41 – The Syrian government, speaking through his minister of information, confirmed that he had granted approval to 147 different Arab and foreign medias since the beginning of December 2011 and until 15.01.2012. 112 various foreign medias have visited the new Syrian territory joining more than 90 medias already on Syrian territory who have permanent correspondents.
42 – The Mission has followed this issue and noted the presence of36 Arab and foreign medias and a certain number of journalists in a number of Syrian cities. She has received some complaints indicating that the Syrian government has granted permits for certain medias to operate in Syria for a period not exceeding four days, considered insufficient duration of their views, in addition to not allow their movement inside the country unless they indicate their destination beforehand and request another certification to get to certain sensitive areas. The Syrian government is willing to provide the media with renewable mandates of 10 days.
43 – Reports and statements by some sectors of the Mission show the existence of governmental restrictions on the Medias’ movement of media in the opposition sectors, prompting the journalists to move, in many cases, behind the movement of the mission to perform their duties.
44 – The city of Homs witnessed the murder of a French journalist working for France 2, and the injury of a journalist from Belgium. On both cases, the government and opposition have traded accusations over the responsibility each of these incidents and they have published statements each condemning the opposing party. The Syrian government has set up an investigative governmental commission to determine the causes of the incidents. It should be noted that the Mission reports of the Arab League in Homs indicate that the French journalist was killed after mortar fire from the opposition.
About the role of international Medias, to answer, there is about sixty television channels, throughout the country, which discharge continuously and in all languages a flood of lies and shameless propaganda on the situation in Syria.
Nawaat: Back to “veto”: It had been almost a year when Russia and China along with Germany, Brazil, and India abstained regarding the 1973 resolution authorizing the use of force against the Gaddafi regime in Libya. How do you explain the use of this veto, this time, in the case of Syria?
AM: The 1973 resolution on Libya passed to ensure the protection of civilian populations has been hijacked by the NATO countries. The result of the NATO war against Libya, still little known to the public, has been catastrophic. Russia and China, had not exercised their right of veto, believing perhaps that the resolution would be enforced to the letter. There is also that Libya, even with its oil production by almost 4% of world production, has not the same strategic weight as Syria, whose oil production is almost negligible.
The Sino-Russian double veto has prevented the lock Syria from breaking, and also both countries from becoming the next targets of the West. It is above all the affirmation of the end of a world dominated by the United States and return to a binary world. There is another reason that was explained by the head of Russian diplomacy that there was a secret clause in this resolution authorizing the use of armed intervention.
Nawaat: Russia and China have an interest in maintaining Bashar Al Assad on the head of the Syrian regime, for purely economic reasons that would be hampered in case of an embargo on the arms: According to the Russian think tank Cast, Syria bought $700 million of arms from Russia in 2010, up to 7% of the Russian sales sector… Why the international community and international media seem offended by the Sino-Russian veto already announced by the Russian ambassador to the UN, Vitaly Churkin on October 4th, 2011 and then this Thursday, February 2nd, 2012?
A.M: States do not have feelings but interests. Certainly the Russians and Chinese have many economic, commercial and strategic interests with Syria. Arms sales constitute only a tiny part.
Nawaat: The massacre in Homs, killing more than 200 lives, the deadliest since the events started, does it seem suspicious to you?
A.M: This massacre is signed and its authors are making fun of our intelligence. Is it possible to believe for a moment, a government, whatever it is, could commit such a massacre on the day his case is brought before the Security Council?
In fact, this is a stunt as part of a comprehensive and concerted intervened where the “Syrian activists” abroad to fill the Syrian embassies and consulates, “referring to the call of Syrian ambassadors in Arab countries and of course the massacre of Homs.
While this massacre: those who followed the TV that day have seen pictures of many victims. Most of these victims had their hands tied behind their backs and some had their faces to the ground.
The directors told us that they were the victims of the bombing of buildings and houses by tanks and even by the Syrian Air Force. Curiously these victims were not wearing injuries nor any sign of the collapse of their houses and dwellings. Each can draw the conclusions he wants. In any case throughout the 4th of February, Syrian citizens testified that they recognized among the victims, relatives and neighbors removed for a week and even months.
Each can draw the conclusions he wants.
Nawaat: In response to this veto and following the massacre of Homs who had many echoes in the international arena, Susan Rice, the U.S. ambassador to the UN, said the Russian and Chinese leaders will have on their hands any further bloodshed. What do you think of this upsurge of tension and sets of interests between China and Russia on one side facing the United States, France and the UK on the other side, all permanent members of the Security Council?
AM: The best response made to Susan Rice, came from the UN Syrian ambassador, which reminded her of the 60 vetoes of the United States to derail the resolutions condemning Israel. But there is a thinly veiled threat in Rice’s statement, because blood may leak in Syria. The anti-Syrian coalition will continue its campaign to destabilize Syria and is considering running soon to the UN Assembly to provide a right to intervene militarily.
Overall we are experiencing a return of a cold war this time with a more powerful Russia and China, ensured the support from a number of emerging countries, with a west facing declining crisis.
Nawaat: On January 8, the Russian warships have docked at the Russian naval base located at the Port of Tartous in Syria, something already planned since August 2010… With this veto, would we be in a disastrous phase of a war preparation whose allies seem increasingly defined?
A.M : After the occupation war on Iraq and the shameful withdrawal of U.S. troops, it is difficult to believe that Americans can re-engage in a war involving the presence of their troops on the ground. Thus they chose, in the case of Libya, to involve the NATO aviation and support them in the end.
This scenario is not valid in the Syrian case because Syria is a relatively large power and has very powerful allies. Therefore, the anti-Syrian coalition has chosen to implode from within the country by creating, funding, arming and leading outbreaks of rebellion.
Are we on the eve of a war? If there is a war, it will not be confined to the borders of the Middle East, everyone is convinced even the wildest and those who make the plans!
Après la guerre d’occupation de l’Irak, puis le retrait honteux des troupes américaines, il est difficile de croire que les américains puissent s’engager de nouveau dans une guerre impliquant une présence de leurs troupes au sol. C’est ainsi qu’ils ont choisi, dans le cas libyen, de faire intervenir l’aviation de l’OTAN et de leur apporter un soutien au final.
Nawaat: By continuing to work with the Syrian regime and the devided Syrian opposition, the Arab League seems to believe in a possible ‘political solution’ to the Syrian crisis, in a way President Bashar Al-Assad delegates his powers to Vice President to form, within two months, a government of national unity that would lead the country to free elections.
The Sino-Russian veto blocks the resolution, what kind of pressure you feel is preparing to kneel Bashar Al Assad?
AM: The Arab League is entirely discredited by burying the report of its own observers’ mission and its appeal to the Security Council. It missed the opportunity to participate in the settlement of the Syrian affair. All it can offer in the future will be worthless.
Now it’s Russia’s turn to play the lead role but also to the Syrian leadership required to accelerate and implement the reforms.
Nawaat: In your opinion, what is the true weight of the CNS (pro military intervention) and the National Coordinating Committee for Democratic Change (against intervention and which is rarely we hear from it in the international media)?
AM: The CNS does not have a good reputation in Syria precisely because it calls for armed intervention. The Syrians have a long tradition of patriotism and a high history of resistance to foreign domination. By cons, abroad, it is a media darling and favorite partner of politicians, who support and finance.
Besides the CNS does not have representatives inside the country and one of its components, the Kurds, has just left it.
It’s different in the case of the Coordination Committee, because its representatives are almost all activists within the country, and have no spokesman abroad, Haytham Manna. It is quite normal that we do not speak of this Committee in the propaganda and disinformation’s Medias that support the intervention.
Nawaat: How do you assess the actions taken by deserters from the Syrian army? Do you have evidence to prove that the Free Syrian Army (FSA) commits acts of barbarism?
AM: The report of on the Arab observers’ mission reported the existence of FSA and other armed groups who attack governmental forces, carry out the abduction of civilians who are released only against payment of ransom, murder, sabotage oil facilities, civil buildings, trains and railways…
Nawaat: Dernière question : peut-on être pour ou contre le régime de Bashar Al Assad et du Président syrien en lui-même ?
Nawaat: Last question: can we be for or against the regime of Bashar Al Assad and the Syrian president himself?
AM: Those who believe that the departure of a president would solve all the problems of the country, are simply idiots. We were unable to learn from the examples of Tunisia, Egypt and Yemen and agree that the aftermath of dictatorship are often harder to manage than the dictatorship itself because oppositions have not yet learned to govern!
The report in Arabic
Vous n’avez pas honte de publier une telle interview sur votre site qui est un site respectable? Je suis de plus en plus déçu par les soi-disant “libéraux” tunisiens qui se révèlent avoir aucun principe sauf celui d’obsession avec la prise de pouvoir.
very insightful. very professional piece of journalism. sadly it wouldn’t make the cut against the frenzy of lies and propaganda we’re bombarded with from the mainstream media. the graphic depiction of the atrocities supposedly perpetuated by al assad’s regime left no room for a reasonable assessment of the syrian situation. very reminiscent of the lybian scenario :(
Tam says:
aih,aih,aih la propagande s’enraye,tu vas avoir du mal à rectifier le tir?car les forces vive du pays commence à prendre conscience du danger!!!la Russie,la Chine,l’Iran,la Brésil,l’argentine,l’Inde,le Pakistan,le Japon prennent conscience du danger américano-israélien!!ce double véto n’est qu’un début!!la compte à rebours de la disparition définitive de:Gamouchi,Jebali,Beji,Marzouqui ont commencé.Oh merci Bashard d’avoir tenu bon jusqu’a présent,par ta ténacité et ton endurance tu as réussi à briser l’hégémonie mise en place par israel et ses valets,leur jeu ne trompent plus personne!!
@l’auteur :pour bien expliqué aux tunisiens la nouvel guerre menait par qatar contre l’iran et que les musulmans vont être le bois de cette guerre ,il faut expliqué toute une histoire qui a diviser l’islam on plusieurs sectes ,sunnit ,chites ,wahabites….le musulman à oublier qu’il est musulman point comme dieu nous à demander d’être et de ne pas suivre ses diviseurs ennemies de la religion musulman ,il faut rappeler que l’islam est notre religion et le coran notre livre sacré et que mohamed est notre prophète ,le reste ce n’est que de la manipulation de religion pour le pouvoir ,mais aujourd’hui malheureusement personne ne veut écouté cette vérité .en faite c’est trop simple les musulmans se tue entre eux et israèle et les usa regardent et compte les morts avec un grand sourire ,ils ont déjà réussit à faire ça en palestine entre le fateh et el hamass ,pourquoi pas le faire sur un large plan ,tout est bénef pour eux ,aujourd’hui les zebirs d’ennahtha insulte hassan nasrallah sur fb ,l’homme qui à toujours combatu ,le résistant est traité ,et eux n’ont aucun idée ou il était le gouvernement actuelle quand NASRALLAH se battait contre israèl ,pauvre tunisiens qui ne comprenne rien ni à leur religion ni à la politique .
bonne nouvel:le gouvernement américain a provoqué la colère de l’armée égyptienne de façon définitive!!revenons sur l’affaire du stade égyptien qui a fait plus de 80 morts auquelle a été attribué à tord à l’armée égyptienne!!des ONG américaines ont été pris la main dans le sac,durant les interpellations,l’enquète révèles des brides de vérité parcélaires montre la participation totale de service américain voir même du mossad!!au même moment tout les média aux ordres avaient accusé l’armée égyptienne!! depuis l’armée égyptienne à décidé de renouer des contact le plus rapidement possible avec le parti politique nacérien!! réchauffer ses relations avec la Russie dans les prochains jour!!mieux encore elle décide de nouer des contact avec la Chine ,réchauffé ses relations militaire avec l’Iran!!et surtout accrochez vous bien,apportera son aide au gouvernement syrien et paralysera les vééllité des pays du golf!!c’est pour cette raison que mr Lavrov s’est rendu à Damas!!grâce aux erreurs des américains dans la région,il réussissent à faire en si peut de temps ce que les arabes n’ont pas réussi à faire durant 5 siècles!!la réconciliation montre le bout de son nez,l’armée égyptienne prend conscience des enjeux et sait qu’il est temps de revenir à ses origines.la ouma arabe!!
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Very good interview.
Good questions and the explanation was calm and logical with no exageration and no warmongering, specialy when compared to the quality displayed by aljazeera and co.
Looking forward to more articles with the same quality.
Save Syria and its people from the hands of the west and the religious fanatics.
[…] came following an interview with one of the Arab League observers in Syria Ahmed Manaï in Tunisian publication Nawaat where he stressed that the same media who accused the government of […]
This paper is a piece of shit. It has been translated through machine translation and very poorly edited.
Nawaat is good since it gives space for people to express their opinions, but this kind of publication gives a very poor image of the website.
This is for the format. Concerning the content:
This report was thrown in rabbish basket by all Arab democrats because it was written by a bunch of liars who have been manipulated in different ways by Syrian propaganda and intelligence. The Arab League inspectors appeared as false witnesses.
One information is easily checkable and gives a clear insight of this Arab League mission: it is headed by Mustafa Ahmad Al-Dabi. Do you know who is this man?
He was Sudan’s ambassador in Qatar and was fired and sent back to Sudan because HE RAPED HIS YOUNG FEMALE SERVANT.
No cmment!
Tounsi Mkarrez
mauvaise fois!!vous allez subir un échec qui restera dans les anales des l’histoire,notre Tunisie a voulu mettre tous ses oeufs dans le meme pagnier(le quatar)!!malheur lui en a pris!!la Syrie soutenu parl’Algérie,Liban,Soudan, la Russie,Chine,Iran,Inde,Brésil,l’Afrique du Sud,Japon,Argentine et beaucoup d’autre se sont convenu de changer les règles du jeux!!sans compter qu’à la fin du mois le quatar devra rendre sa présidence à l’Irak!!donc la ligue arabe se trouva les six prochains mois à Bagdad!!la Syrie et l’Irak ont signé depuis des contrat d’une valeur de 100milliard de dollard sans compter le pipline signer en grande pompe avec le Liban,L’Irak et l’Iran,toute ces donnés prouvent une fois encore que Marzouqui,Gamouchi,Jeballi sont des éxécutant de base besogne travaillant pour les pays du golf et les états unis d’israel.Leur cinéma ne trompe plus personne,leur démocratie du ventre vide ne sert que les intérets des incrédules.Celui qui affaibli la Syrie affaibli le monde arabe!!pour être honnête avec toi le compte à rebours du changement arabes va commencer à partir du 1 mars 2012.Quand au trois guignol”Marzouqui,Gamouchi,Jeballi leur sort est joué,rien n’y personne ne pourra changer la donne!!
Hypocrites, ceux qui ne peuvent rien faire d’autre que taper sur l’Occident et l’Israël ! Pourquoi vous n’allez pas vivre en Russie, en Chine, en Palestine ou l’Arabie au lieu d’envahir les pays Occidentaux ? Non, vous préférez la FRANCE, où souvent vous ne respectez même pas la laïcité.
Quant à votre ‘oumma’, et vos querelles sectaires, votre charia, votre ignorance des droits humains et des libertés individuels, de grâce, regardez chez vous d’abord, travaillez chez vous pour développer vos pays, et cessez de trouver la faute toujours ailleurs et ne penser qu’en termes de complots et de conspiration !
Tunisiens, n’avez-vous pas fait ‘une révolution’ ? Chaque pays a fait la leur et la Syrie est en train. Pourquoi pensez vous que tout est instigué par des comploteurs ? Évidemment tous les pays ont leurs intérêts régionaux et en qui concerne la Syrie, ce n’est pas la tarte.
En Égypte, ce qui est bien plus grave que d’accuser les ONG américains, est de voir cet idiot faire l’appel à la prière pendant la session parlementaire ! Au lieu de s’occuper de l’économie ils débattent sur la restriction des femmes ! Voilà la tragédie et la folie de l’islam.
chere madame, si votre pays veux bien nous laisser en paix, et arreter d’exploiter nos ressources naturelles et humaines,se meler à nos affaires internes et soutenir notre elite politique et economique pourrie, vous aller vous rendre compte que vous avez besoin de nous plus que nous avons besoin de vous. vous vivez encore dans ce reve de la france de l’apres guerre bien que vos conditions sociales se deteriornt jour apres jour, et le rythme s’accelere. je vous conseille de surveiller l’argent de votre retraite au lieu de vous soucier du future de notre revolution (en cours).
Et sur les points précises ? Sinon, je ne comprends pas le sens de votre réponse. Vous dites que la France (qui ?) soutient vos anciens élites en quoi ? La corruption ? La France exploite quoi exactement – ressources naturelles ? (plages ?), humains (usines, hotlines ? ).
En quoi votre réponse dément les points dans mon commentaire ? Ma retraite ? Mais ce sera quoi la votre ? Pourquoi blâmer la France ou la Qatar, ou la CIA, la Mossad.. enfin, ce que je dis est d’être justement responsable de votre pays et arrêter de blâmer les autres. La démocratie, c’est ça, chacun responsable, pas dépendre sur le ‘chef’, que ça soit le chef de famille, de clan, de ‘grand leader’.. Tout le monde croit que la Tunisie mène les ‘révolutions arabes’, pourquoi pas ? N’avez-vous pas confiance ? Ca s’apprend !
N’y-a-t’il pas 600 000 tunisiens en France ? C’est la faute de la France ?
Bon, je ne suis pas non plus naïve à croire que tout le monde est beau et gentil, ce que je critique ce sont les commentaires de ‘monsieur tout le monde’ qui voit toujours la faute chez les autres, et encore plus les leaders qui trompent leur peuple en désignant n’importe quel ‘complot’ et ‘ennemies’ pendant qu’ils bombardent des civils !
La lutte pour de vraies libertés peut être longue et douloureuse, je ne sais pas de quel bord vous êtes mais, moi, je suis du bord de la simple équation : tout le monde est né égale, il a le droit de la liberté d’expression, de croyance ou non croyance à un dieu quelconque, etc etc… il suffit de lire la charte des droits de l’homme que personne n’a à ce jour trouver à mieux faire.
Vous n’êtes pas d’accord ?
@amelie ou la fatma
tu dois être contente de changer de prénom,car je parie que ton vrai nom est zohra ou hassina ou malika!et je ne parle pas de tes parents!
parce qu’on t’a accordé la nationalité française,tu viens nous agresser et tu devenue plus royaliste que le roi!j’ai deux conseils à te donner.
1)il faut demander à ton père comment,les français le traitent de bougnoule et autres amabilités de ce genre,et je parie que tu le sais!
2)tu dois faire beaucoup d’efforts pour soigner ton français.mais pour ta façon de raisonner et de t’exprimer,il va falloir l’aide d’un marabout!pauvre crétine qui ne vaut même pas une pimbêche!tu n’es pas française de souche et tu n’es pas juive(car une juive aurait écrit israël et non l’israël)un détail révélateur de ton inculture.
Bravo Nordine
nordine says:
10/02/2012 at 9:43 pm
<@amelie ou la fatma
tu dois être contente de changer de prénom,car je parie que ton vrai nom est zohra ou hassina ou malika!et je ne parle pas de tes parents!
parce qu’on t’a accordé la nationalité française,tu viens nous agresser et tu devenue plus royaliste que le roi!j’ai deux conseils à te donner.
Mon pauvre monsieur, mais je crains (et j'en suis désolée) que ton (puisque tu me tutoyes) commentaire prouve encore plus mes points principaux.
Je ne sais meme pas s'il faut rire ou pleurer.
J'ai même envie de te faire souffir d'avantage en jouant avec toi. Mais non, je je souhaites pas encourager ce genre de fléaux qui doit être propre à toi ou 'vous', ou certains, qui voit le loup partout. Ha ha, c'est trop drôle. Peut-etre je dois créer un blog spécialement pour parler de la mystérieuse 'Amelie' (vraie ou fausse personnage ? bla bla ? 'espion cia ou mossad ?? ) ha! ha! ..
Non, je ne suis pas celle que tu accuses: une émmigrée tunisienne dont tu méprises d'emblé, apparemment. Non, je suis une autre sorte d'émmigrée qui (et bravo pour l'avoir détécté, mais pas tout à fait;-)), est……….
retiennes ton souffle
…….. prépares-toi……..
une anglaise même une écossaise, vivant en France depuis 40 ans !
Alors, ça te fait quoi, monsieur 'qui a tout compris du complot ?'
C'est dingue comment les gens puissent etre si paranoiaques. Si seulement ils savaient d'abord poser quelques questions polies, comme 'en fait tu es qui ?'… Non, ils doivent automatiquement réfléchir en mode 'conspiration'. N'était-ce pas ce que j'ai tenté de pointer dans mon commentaire ? Et voilà un qui adore se faire moquer de lui.
Et maintenant ? Tu vas imaginer des pires complots des anglais contre la Tunisie ? Puisqu'il y en a qui a du s'exiler là bas, enfin, je ne connais pas grande chose en fait. Sauf les commentaires comme ce genre.
1)il faut demander à ton père comment,les français le traitent de bougnoule et autres amabilités de ce genre,et je parie que tu le sais!
En effet, j'ai été en France à l'époque où ce genre de commentaire existait. Moi, personnellement, je ne connaissais pas l'histoire, et je n'ai jamais eu d'histoire avec des 'bougnoules', sauf deux fois, mais je ne sais pas si l'espace ici me permet de raconter. Je ne sais meme pas si ça t'intéresse, mais c'est l'histoire. Il s'agissait de la première fois que j'ai rencontré un algérien, étudiant à Paris.
En tant que Britannique et très jeune, on n'entendait pas beaucoup parler des arabs ou la guerre d'Algérie. Pour les Britanniques, il s'agissait du 'Commonwealth', le Canada, l'Autralie, La NZ, les divers pays Africans etc.. plusieurs en effet. Auparavant, dans mon école primaire on collectionnait les étiquettes de produits qui venaient de ces pays et on s'habillait dans leurs costumes pour respresentait un pays particulier pour les fêtes particulières. Attention, on n'est pas à l'époque de l'esclavisme américain non, ce n'était que la bonne (fin) de 'Empire Britannique' qui s'est transformer en commerce. D'ailleurs il y a bien des britanniques aujourd'hui qui souhaitent quitter l'Europe pour retrouver ce 'vieux temps'. Mais ce sont une minorité.
Ainsi je me trouve jeune étudiante à Paris,en 1967, pays très étrange, où il y a des 'maghrébins'. A l'époque, j'ai vu encore des bidonvilles aux banlieux. Enfin, bref, un jour je me trouve pendant une soirée à coté d'un jeune homme étudiant qui avait l'air très triste. Je lui demande ce qu'il avait. Il m'a raconté l'histoire de son amoureuse, sa chérie. Et j'ai appris pour la première fois le monde cruel de l'Islam dont je ne connaissais rien. Il a raconté comment, dans son village natal, il aimait une fille mais les parents n'étaient pas d'accord pour qu'ils forment un couple. Elle était 'promise' à quelqu'un d'autre. Et puis la veille de ce mariage, avec cet homme non désiré, ce jeune homme est entré dans la chambre à l'étage de sa chérie, et ils ont fait l'amour. Scandale. Le mariage a du être annulé.
Moi, je ne comprennais pas comment une telle chose puisse exister. Je lui posais des questions, comme 'mais pourquoi tu n'as pas emmenené ta chérie en France, pour pouvoir etre avec elle librement ?'. Il m'a répondu presqu'en larmes, que c'était impossible, son père, frères, cousins, oncles la pourchasseront et la tueront ! Je ne croyais pas mes oreilles. 'La tueront' ?? !!!! 'Eh oui, il m'a dit, c'est ça là bas, on tue les filles pour 'l'honneur'. J'étais totallement ébahie, et il m'a dit quelque chose comme 'te t'inquiètes pas, un jour ça changera, je vais trouver une solution'. J'avais tellement de pitié pour ce jeune garçon, je ne savais pas quoi penser. Comment de telles choses puissent exister ?
Eh bien, aujourd'hui, je suis une vielle femme, mais je vois encore et toujours les mêmes choses partout, même en France, et en UK, ces tueries d'honneurs, de plus en plus, meme un Turquie, et partout, Rien ne va mieux, tout va de pire en pire à cause de ces traditions et croyances d'une autre âge. Cela fait bien longtemps et il faut savoir que des gens comme moi, et des millions d'autres ont cru aux 'révolutions arabes', et on peut bien avoir le droit d'etre décus ! Et ne pas croire aux histoires pratiquement 'innées' de complots et 'toujours la faute des 'zionnistes', non, il faut tout simplement chercher chez VOUS, et les raisons, notamment chez ta religion et toutes ces traditions arabes qui, au lieu de se moderniser, semblent prendre de l'élan dans un 'combat contre les infidels'.. etc.
Moi, personnellement, je suis optimiste, mais je pense qu'il faut un sacré effort pour éliminer ces décennies d’endoctrinement des régimes qui n'existent qu'en haissisant 'l'occident'. Tout cela n'est qu'un camouflage pour cacher le jeux des clans, des familles, de la corruption endemiques, et des religieux qui jouent sur n'importe quoi pour avoir de l'influence. J'en suis très péssimiste pour le court terme, mais sur le moyen terme, ça doit aller, grâce à la technologie et l'éducation qui vont avoir le dessus. Pour l'instant c'est le chaos, mais ça va s'améliorer.
La Syrie, n'est pas la dernière bastion, il y a l'Iran, et tant d'autres pays qui ne savent meme pas ce que c'est la liberté, que vos 'zohra ou hassina ou malika!', qui ont peut-etre la chance de vivre en France, eh oui, mon ami, pourquoi le monde entier ne connaitra pas la liberté et les jouissances qu'on connait en France, MEME sous une crise financière mondiale ? Ici, il fait bon vivre, je t'assure. Et en UK et pas mal d'autres pays Européens et tous ceux qui sont démocratiques.
Il faut voir l'avenir, pas le passé, il faut etre optimiste, créatifs, positifs, et valoriser vos atouts, et votre potentiel, qui ne sont pas valorisés ! Cessez d'accuser le monde entier pour vos malheurs et regarder chez vous et prendre ce qui est le meilleur chez les autres. La France n'est pas parfaite, mais en choissisant parmi les meilleurs pays en fonction des indices de succès, on peut choisir comment on veut diriger un nouveau pays qui vient de se libérér d'un joug. Ne tombez pas dans un autre joug.
Amitiés
Amelie
<2)tu dois faire beaucoup d’efforts pour soigner ton français.mais pour ta façon de raisonner et de t’exprimer,il va falloir l’aide d’un marabout!pauvre crétine qui ne vaut même pas une pimbêche!tu n’es pas française de souche et tu n’es pas juive(car une juive aurait écrit israël et non l’israël)un détail révélateur de ton inculture.
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@amelie
si je me suis trompé sur compte,je fais mon mea-culpa,car je n’avais aucune intention de vous heurter gratuitement!mais votre commentaire prête à confusion!il est pour le moins maladroit et peut même blesser!
je vous demande pardon de vous avoir tutoyée!
pour les zohra et malika et marabout,etc qui vous choquent,moi vous m’étonnez!je croyais que les britanniques apprécient le sens de l’humour!pour information,ma modeste culture je lai acquise à tunis et mon éducation(qui n’est pas banale,croyez-moi)est le fruit d’une famille tunisoise et honorable!(j’écris ça pour rester modeste)
amitiés sincères amelie
Merci Nordine, j’apprécie. Eh ben, on est amis donc maintenant ? :-)
[…] and Gilles Jacquier, a few days later admitting that insurgents were responsible. This was also confirmed by Arab League observers on the ground. On February 4th, in the run up to the UNSC vote in which Russia and China vetoed the resolution […]
Bravo! Profitez de la détresse syrienne pour venir vendre votre infâme propagande. Il y a tellement de naIfs qui passent par ici que vous en attirerez bien quelques uns au nom de l’un des plus grands criminels de l’histoire, Joseph Staline, votre ami, qui est en compétition avec Hitler pour l’oscar du plus grand assassin de l’histoire: 25.000.000 de morts.
dommage qu’il n’y ait pas des ‘likes’ sur ce forum, mais j’en donne pleins, ce type est infâme. Voir Lizzie Phelan sur RT fait croire qu’on est revenu à l’époque soviète, qu’est-ce qui se passe coté russe ?
Bravo Amélie! Et bravo Nordine pour votre réponse! On aimerait voir cela plus souvent!
well first the veto of the russian :vodka vats
then the chineese: rice containers.
all this after seeing the uselessness of the arab league which
is an institution at best a joke.
the collection that forms the arab league are a morons brainless
twits serving despots not better than acid assad.
their presence in syria is a life line to justify his continuation.
after all he is one of their kind these despotic club.
can anyone tell that the head hunter from sudan or meat loafs from
saoudia or golf states have interest in freedom for syria?.
and yes this tunisian clown that is given airing of his views is
no more than999 millimes short of a dinar.
he wants to save a civilization of syria but couldn’t care less
about syrians….save the pot or pol pot of syria and throw the soup
or content who happen to be syrians.
the syrian opposition should ask turkey from the north and israel
in the south to save them.
and let us see assad and his clown soldiers show their heroism.
these two above will not let you down like the arab league or the
clowns club.
[…] trains carrying diesel oil, bombing of police buses and the bombing of bridges and pipelines. During an interview with Arab League observer Ahmed Manaï, he praises the Sino-Russian veto at the UNSC and encouraged the Syrian leadership to implement […]
[…] trains carrying diesel oil, bombing of police buses and the bombing of bridges and pipelines. During an interview with Arab League observer Ahmed Manaï, he praises the Sino-Russian veto at the UNSC and encouraged the Syrian leadership to implement […]
[…] trains carrying diesel oil, bombing of police buses and the bombing of bridges and pipelines. During an interview with Arab League observer Ahmed Manaï, he praises the Sino-Russian veto at the UNSC and encouraged the Syrian leadership to implement […]
[…] trains carrying diesel oil, bombing of police buses and the bombing of bridges and pipelines. During an interview with Arab League observer Ahmed Manaï, he praises the Sino-Russian veto at the UNSC and encouraged the Syrian leadership to implement […]
[…] trains carrying diesel oil, bombing of police buses and the bombing of bridges and pipelines. During an interview with Arab League observer Ahmed Manaï, he praises the Sino-Russian veto at the UNSC and encouraged the Syrian leadership to implement […]
[…] trains carrying diesel oil, bombing of police buses and the bombing of bridges and pipelines. During an interview with Arab League observer Ahmed Manaï, he praises the Sino-Russian veto at the UNSC and encouraged the Syrian leadership to implement […]
[…] trains carrying diesel oil, bombing of police buses and the bombing of bridges and pipelines. During an interview with Arab League observer Ahmed Manaï, he praises the Sino-Russian veto at the UNSC and encouraged the Syrian leadership to implement […]
[…] trains carrying diesel oil, bombing of police buses and the bombing of bridges and pipelines. During an interview with Arab League observer Ahmed Manaï, he praises the Sino-Russian veto at the UNSC and encouraged the Syrian leadership to implement […]
[…] The report in Arabic […]
[…] trains carrying diesel oil, bombing of police buses and the bombing of bridges and pipelines. During an interview with Arab League observer Ahmed Manaï, he praises the Sino-Russian veto at the UNSC and encouraged the Syrian leadership to implement […]
[…] The observer Ahmed Manaï “The Arab League has buried the observers report on Syria” – http://nawaat.org/portail/2012/02/08/ahmed-manai-the-arab-league-has-buried-the-observers-report-on-… Wikileaks: US government: “We should coordinate with the Saudis & Egyptians to undermine […]
[…] The observer Ahmed Manaï “The Arab League has buried the observers report on Syria” […]
[…] trains carrying diesel oil, bombing of police buses and the bombing of bridges and pipelines. During an interview with Arab League observer Ahmed Manaï, he praises the Sino-Russian veto at the UNSC and encouraged the Syrian leadership to implement […]
[…] Nawaat: In response to this veto and following the massacre of Homs who had many echoes in the international arena, Susan Rice, the U.S. ambassador to the UN, said the Russian and Chinese leaders will have on their hands any further bloodshed. What do you think of this upsurge of tension and sets of interests between China and Russia on one side facing the United States, France and the UK on the other side, all permanent members of the Security Council? AM: The best response made to Susan Rice, came from the UN Syrian ambassador, which reminded her of the 60 vetoes of the United States to derail the resolutions condemning Israel. But there is a thinly veiled threat in Rice’s statement, because blood may leak in Syria. The anti-Syrian coalition will continue its campaign to destabilize Syria and is considering running soon to the UN Assembly to provide a right to intervene militarily. Overall we are experiencing a return of a cold war this time with a more powerful Russia and China, ensured the support from a number of emerging countries, with a west facing declining crisis. Nawaat: On January 8, the Russian warships have docked at the Russian naval base located at the Port of Tartous in Syria, something already planned since August 2010… With this veto, would we be in a disastrous phase of a war preparation whose allies seem increasingly defined? A.M : After the occupation war on Iraq and the shameful withdrawal of U.S. troops, it is difficult to believe that Americans can re-engage in a war involving the presence of their troops on the ground. Thus they chose, in the case of Libya, to involve the NATO aviation and support them in the end. This scenario is not valid in the Syrian case because Syria is a relatively large power and has very powerful allies. Therefore, the anti-Syrian coalition has chosen to implode from within the country by creating, funding, arming and leading outbreaks of rebellion. Are we on the eve of a war? If there is a war, it will not be confined to the borders of the Middle East, everyone is convinced even the wildest and those who make the plans! Après la guerre d’occupation de l’Irak, puis le retrait honteux des troupes américaines, il est difficile de croire que les américains puissent s’engager de nouveau dans une guerre impliquant une présence de leurs troupes au sol. C’est ainsi qu’ils ont choisi, dans le cas libyen, de faire intervenir l’aviation de l’OTAN et de leur apporter un soutien au final. Nawaat: By continuing to work with the Syrian regime and the devided Syrian opposition, the Arab League seems to believe in a possible ‘political solution’ to the Syrian crisis, in a way President Bashar Al-Assad delegates his powers to Vice President to form, within two months, a government of national unity that would lead the country to free elections. The Sino-Russian veto blocks the resolution, what kind of pressure you feel is preparing to kneel Bashar Al Assad? AM: The Arab League is entirely discredited by burying the report of its own observers’ mission and its appeal to the Security Council. It missed the opportunity to participate in the settlement of the Syrian affair. All it can offer in the future will be worthless. Now it’s Russia’s turn to play the lead role but also to the Syrian leadership required to accelerate and implement the reforms. Nawaat: In your opinion, what is the true weight of the CNS (pro military intervention) and the National Coordinating Committee for Democratic Change (against intervention and which is rarely we hear from it in the international media)? AM: The CNS does not have a good reputation in Syria precisely because it calls for armed intervention. The Syrians have a long tradition of patriotism and a high history of resistance to foreign domination. By cons, abroad, it is a media darling and favorite partner of politicians, who support and finance. Besides the CNS does not have representatives inside the country and one of its components, the Kurds, has just left it. It’s different in the case of the Coordination Committee, because its representatives are almost all activists within the country, and have no spokesman abroad, Haytham Manna. It is quite normal that we do not speak of this Committee in the propaganda and disinformation’s Medias that support the intervention. Nawaat: How do you assess the actions taken by deserters from the Syrian army? Do you have evidence to prove that the Free Syrian Army (FSA) commits acts of barbarism? AM: The report of on the Arab observers’ mission reported the existence of FSA and other armed groups who attack governmental forces, carry out the abduction of civilians who are released only against payment of ransom, murder, sabotage oil facilities, civil buildings, trains and railways… Nawaat: Dernière question : peut-on être pour ou contre le régime de Bashar Al Assad et du Président syrien en lui-même ? Nawaat: Last question: can we be for or against the regime of Bashar Al Assad and the Syrian president himself? AM: Those who believe that the departure of a president would solve all the problems of the country, are simply idiots. We were unable to learn from the examples of Tunisia, Egypt and Yemen and agree that the aftermath of dictatorship are often harder to manage than the dictatorship itself because oppositions have not yet learned to govern! http://nawaat.org/portail/2012/02/08/ahmed-manai-the-arab-league-has-buried-the-observers-report-on-… […]